Wednesday, 7 October 2009

Ravenous Wednesday with Isabel Roman

I have a confession. I had NO idea what NCIS was until I read Isabel's post. I sent her an email asking what the heck NCIS was and received a useful link, which I'm sharing here. If you are a NCIS virgin, please check out the link so you know what the heck Isabel is talking about here. I just think it's cool that one of the dudes from MAN FROM UNCLE is in it! LOVED that show. Which I watched on...er...Nick at Nite! Yeah, that's the ticket!...

At any rate, Isabel has been a guest author on Ravenous Wednesday before and we are delighted to have her back again! Two of her books were featured on Ravenous Romance's Home Shopping Network premiere, along with Yours Truly's book RIPPING THE BOIDCE. WOOT to both of us!

As per usual, the bar is open, food is plentiful and we are open all day!

And without further ado, please welcome the lovely Isabel Roman!


My current obsession with NCIS has spawned this blog. Anyone who follows half of what I say will know of this obsession. But that’s not technically what this is about. It’s about tension and conflict within a story. I realized why I enjoy writing historicals so much. Other than my interest in history, it’s because of the constructions placed upon women.


I’m of the firm belief that any woman can get up and walk out if the situation or man is not to her liking. But in an historical she could not. Well, not without serious repercussions. And yes, I know this will spark a flood of protests, but let’s think about it in the NCIS world.


A difficult, realistic, romantic conflict sustained through several seasons. I’m not specifically talking about one relationship, but about the entire cast and their relationships.


Law enforcement officers who have fallen for each other. In a federal agency, any marriage, indeed relationship, would mean the end of their partnership. What do you do when the unit is a skilled team and this happens? When two of this team fall for each other?

Break up the established team for a potential romantic entanglement? Or, as the saying goes, do you suffer in silence?

It’s a good question for romantic suspense writers to pose.


There are specific workplace guidelines in place, especially in the federal government. In acquiring the status of an agent, special agent, etc. in the government takes years, and professionally speaking, not easy to give up. The situation then becomes torture between those who are dancing around each other.

There are many ways one can take this type of entanglement into a romance. Play up the unrequited lust between the pair, play out the clandestine affair (my personal favorite), expel energy on the completely wrong person (both parties and while fun, ultimately unfulfilling), or plan a career change.

None of which are easy choices or taken lightly.


At RWA 2008 in San Francisco, I had the pleasure of speaking to one of the speakers, a federal agent. She said the most common thing is the clandestine affair. Let’s face it, it’s the easiest path of a relationship that may not work out after 6 weeks. However, she admitted, for those truly falling in love, but who also love their career, any choice they make about their future can be very difficult and even painful.


The possibilities for this type of romantic situation are extensive. The most interesting part being the actual struggle, all the various choices and paths to take. Wrapping up a story like this into a happy ending, is often just what we create: Fiction.


While I’m sure over the years, there have been one or two special dispensations for married couples, it is by no means the norm. And so this type of story, while it can present a wonderfully rich environment to work in, also presents a very fine line in terms of realism. That’s why most romantic fiction involving married investigators is done in the private sector.


Now, I’m braced. I have my G&T, it’s early yet so I have my bagel. Have at it. What do YOU think?

53 comments:

Dana Fredsti said...

FIRST! Er... I mean... HOSTESS!!!

Hagelrat said...

I love NCIS, I am totally besotted with Gibbs (me an devery other woman on the planet i know) and Abby is about the coolest person ever. Shame she's fictional too.
I think that the whole innapropriate feelings issue is a tricky one to maintain over any period of time and the handling of it can make or ruin a show/book.
Interesting subject and lovely to have you back Isabel. :)

Hagelrat said...

Also, since you are all droppig in, I am seeking some spooky short stories, (previously published and fan fiction both totally acceptable) to add to the short fiction page on the main site www.unboundblogzine.com in the run up to Halloween.
If they have been published elsewhere we will also state that. They will be accompanied by a short Halloween blog post and then will be permanently homed on the main site. Obv. being as unbound makes no revenue at all I am begging for freebies, but anything from flash to short fiction is welcomed.
Thanks guys. :)

Isabel Roman said...

Morning! Hagelrat, yes. Gibbs. He's great all around. Sexy, tough, lots of emotional issues. And Abby is just way cool. I even like the new director. :) Now, spooky stories? I'll see what I can dig up...no pun intended.

cmkempe said...

Well, I had to Google to find out what NCIS was. LOL, clearly I don't watch much television.

Maybe I need a bellini, to get going this morning.

I do like the idea of constraints as you say, Isabel. Historicals do allow for that entrapment and require some interesting developments to get out of tricky situations. But I can see how the NCIS world would allow for the same constraints.

I kind of used that in CHAS, because Chas and Damien weren't ever supposed to meet, let alone fall in love. And in the sequel, co-workers will express their displeasure with their clandestine affair.

So, what's your favourite historical period, Isabel, both to write and to read? Just curious!

cmkempe said...

HA HA HA -- and I will not comment on the general idea of liking constraints outside of fiction! Hee hee, I just walked into that one, eh?

Bound...Unbound! [she says, putting away the long silk scarf...]

Isabel Roman said...

CMK, NCIS is pretty much all I watch. And reruns of some scifi stuff.

Constraints are good. Makes for good fiction, believable no matter what the time or place. If the couple can't be together for legitimate reasons so much the better.

As for historical eras, there ae many. I tend to stay away from Medieval because I read so very many once upon a time. I like different: a country not often done, a time period not often seen. Karleen Koen's Dark Angels is one of my favorites (1660s England).

K. A. Laity said...

Ha ha ha -- I am thinking of putting my training to use and writing medievals, which I have to say I have avoided because of what I always call "miladying". But like my first novel, Pelzmantel, it would be to explore what's not usually done (i.e. the women who work in the kitchen rather than those who sew in the court).

Besides I have some good ideas for M/M adaptations...

Dana Fredsti said...

Good morning, everyone!

Dana Fredsti said...

After coming back to work this morning after being gone just two days, I need a champagne cocktail. Anyone else?

Dana Fredsti said...

I have never seen NCIS... One bellini for Margery! Or was it Kate?... I'm still not awake...

K. A. Laity said...

I think we'll both take one!

Sephera said...

I've never seen NCIS but I'd love a Bellini! It's noon now here!

Hagelrat said...

Isabel - yay thank you!
I love NCIS, I have the first four on boxset and plan to get the rest as soon as poss. That, Criminal Minds, Bones, Supernatural lol, I rarely watch actual TV.
Dana - champagne mmm sounds like a book i'm reading, so perhaps something a little less provocative to start...tequila slammer?

cmkempe said...

Oooh, I haven't read Champagne yet but I am anticipating it -- after I read the Peruvian Pigeon, which is on its way!

Another bellini please!

Hagelrat said...

cmk peruvian pigeon is wonderful!! I loved it so much I followed/stalked her all the way to romance which was never my thing.

cmkempe said...

I'd expect no less from such a talented writer!

Dana Fredsti said...

Awww, you guys are so sweet! Or you ladies are so sweet, rather!

Bellinis, Tequila slammers, champagne,all lined up!

K. A. Laity said...

Well, now that I've had lunch, I think I want to indulge in a Bolli Stoli. Though I have a class to teach later today...

Dana Fredsti said...

Bolli Stoli, eh? I'll rustle up my 'bartending favorites' and see what I can do you for!

This is a heavy drinking morning...

Hagelrat said...

Dana - you are one saucy chick! Oh and someone chuck me a bottle of something with bubbles and alcohol in it while i slouch over here on a sofa. ;)

Jack C. Young said...

Good afternoon all!
The prohibition against invovlved couples seems to be very ancient. I believe the Greek Hoplites forbade male lovers from serving in the same combat section because one partner might break the formation to aid his significant other. (Which could spell disaster in the worst circumstance.)
The principle seems to be the same here. (I owe Daniel Mannix credit for that one.)
I hope you're feeling better, Dana. We've missed you. LOL.

Dana Fredsti said...

*tossing Adele a bellini* Don't you mean 'sauced chick?' Heh.

Hi, Jack! The Hoplite logic actually makes sense to me as far as keeping one's war machine efficient. I'm slowly waking up, thank you... :-)

Jack C. Young said...

Re the previous remark: I don't know what the current situation is in the contemporary service, vis-a-vis romantically involved couples. Can anyone out there enlighten me?
I've heard nothing about such involvment being a detriment in combat and I'd like some further info.
Thanks.

Dana Fredsti said...

I'm totally out of the loop on that as well. Isabel, can you give us more info?

Hagelrat said...

mwah! smoochies my loves, I am taking my drunken ass to bed. :)

Dana Fredsti said...

Nighty night, Adele!

Isabel Roman said...

Since I doubt there's any way to stop couples from being involved, I won't go there. However, as far as I know, there IS a rule against married military personnel serving together. Serving in any capacity: combat, stateside, whatever. If they're in the same department it's not allowed. That may have changed, but I doubt it for the same reasons as why the Greek Hoplites didn't allow it.

Dana Fredsti said...

It does make a certain amount of sense, I guess. I mean, on one hand, it would up the ante for making sure things went well...but I know my focus would be on Dave if we went into battle together.

Dana Fredsti said...

I am hitting the road shortly, so will leave the bar open for your pleasure! IF you can drink it, it's there! :-)

Isabel Roman said...

Oh, good, thanks, Dana! I need a drink. Craziness at work tonight. I may need 2 drinks...

Other Lisa said...

I am a HUGE mystery reader, and I have to admit, I get kinda bored with the "cop boyfriend with whom the MC has hot sex" trope - it's just not very interesting to me a lot of the time. Where you actually have some barriers to the relationship and the resulting tension - that's what makes it fun.

I also have to admit, I haven't seen NCIS. I ran into Mark Harmon once though. He's very charming!

K. A. Laity said...

I'm sipping some red with a friend now and thought I would drop by to see how things are going. Whoohoo! Dana left the bar open? Well, let me have a glass of that really expensive 1960 French red!

Dana Fredsti said...

When I say the bar is open, I mean WIDE open! Even the expensive red. :-)

cmkempe said...

I used to read mysteries but haven't in a long time. What're your favourites?

Isabel Roman said...

Isn't she generous with the bar? Thank goodness, too, since I am out of chocolate...this'll help. *G*

Lisa, I have a new favorite mystery writer, John Mortimer (who dies this last year) and wrote the Rumpole stories. Not who-dun-it mysteries, but funny English ones. And the movies are great with Leo Kerne.

Dana Fredsti said...

I love the ones with humor. Not twee cozies, but just fun reads. I love Allyson Roy's BABYDOLL series, for instance.

Dana Fredsti said...

Isabel, it's not right that you're out of chocolate. The dessert table is ALSO open.

Jack C. Young said...

I've enjoyed the books of Stephen Saylor (set in Republican Rome), The Brother Cadfael books, and the work of Douglas Preston and Lincoln Child (which might be classed as quasi-paranormal thrillers but which still present intricate mysteries to be solved.
I'm also an old Sherlockian.
Dana! Glad to be back after running some late night errands for Sue and her boss. Glad to see you made it back too! LOL.

Jack C. Young said...

I have also enjoyed the mysteries of William X. Kienzle (whose amateur detective is also a priest named Father Koesler). Favorite title here is DEATH WEARS A RED HAT which features some semi-supernatural incidents. (Yes! My favorite reading matter is supernatural horror. As Dana well knows...Hehhehehehehehe!!!!

K. A. Laity said...

Interesting range of recs: I love Mortimer. If he'd only done the adaptation of the Brideshead Revisited mini-series, that woudl be enough to saint him, but he's done so much more.

I've read some of the Cadfaels too, just because they're well done historically -- and Jacobi made a great Cadfael in the small screen version.

And yeah, Holmes is so much fun! I think I've read everything, but there's always a reason to read more. Well, once I actually have some spare time... maybe in a couple of months or so.

Mmmm, just opened the jar of Nutella. Maybe time for a little cognac now!

Jack C. Young said...

There is no such thing as reading too much. So many books...so little time. (long sigh.)

Jack C. Young said...

There is no such thing as reading too much. So many books...so little time. (long sigh.)

K. A. Laity said...

I'm for bed, kiddos. Long day tomorrow as Albacon kicks off and I have somehow become intertwined with the process. Crazy!

Thanks, Dana, for wrangling the madness; Adele for hosting. It's so nice to see so many folks drop by, too. Isabel -- keep writing wonderful stuff!

Hagelrat said...

Other Lisa - *sigh* you have all the luck.

Hagelrat said...

My fave mysteries are ones with a noir feel to them, the humour and the language tickles me butthere is also a huge comfort factor. I think it's part of the appeal of urban fantasy for me too, that many of the writers blend fantasy with noir. Yes it means many of the books are variations on a pretty strong theme but while i find that irritating in say a horror writing I find it pleasing in UF & noir.

K. A. Laity said...

That's very interesting, the mix of things that appeal to you. As a writer I find it difficult to stay within those generic boundaries, as my latest accepted story (a jazz/argot/tarot/Buddha one with a touch of noir) demonstrates all too well.

I think I largely prefer stories that surprise me in some way, but there are times when I want something specific -- a Georgette Heyer, for instance -- and want to be sure that I'm getting what I yearn for.

Isabel Roman said...

Woah, go to bed, get a slow email start, and look what happens! *Back off that chocolate, peoples. It's mine!* Thanks, Dana!! :)

I love how reading a mystery or fantasy will inspire something in my writing. Not necessarily the same plot, but an Oh, yeah! moment. A connection. Or even, in the case of Mortimer's Rumpole, a better understanding of the English court system. Never know when that'll come in handy!

Hagelrat said...

Kate - I love all sorts of stuff I just have particular fondness for certain things.
Isabel, well if you will insist on sleeping. ;)

Isabel Roman said...

I had a migraine, what can I say. Allergies and drop in barometric pressure always gets me.

I wish I didn't need sleep! Imagine all the reading/writing I can get done!!

Hagelrat said...

i like curling up in bed but i'd settle for two hours sleep and 6 reading.

Skye Alexander said...

Great discussion, all. Sorry I'm so late tuning in--too much going on today. Any champange left, Dana?

Isabel, I agree that constraints can certainly rev up the tension in a book, whether it's a romantic suspense tale, a literary piece (The Age of Innocence comes to mind), a noir (my favorite genre), or just about any other story. Even today, family/job/societal/religious/etc. constraints influence the way we act and interact in our daily lives--why not in our literary ones?

I don't have a TV so I've never seen NCIS--maybe someone will share? Sounds like fun.

BTW: Are you interested in "real" witchy stories for Samhain (that's witch-speak for Halloween)? Being a bonafide witch, I'm not much for perpetrating the spooky Halloween stereotypes.

Thanks, Hagelrat and Dana, for another great time at Un:Bound! Cheers, everyone.

Skye Alexander said...

One more thing--Dana, I loved Peruvian Penguin. You even fooled me re: whodunit. That's all I'm going to say, except READ IT!